jhonnydeep
Great one. thanks..
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Quote: TIMSPEED
The one at Barona was SIMILAR to Colusa.
They had 6 cards (A-6) at the top of the table (directly in front of the boxman) and each card represented a die facing. They placed these cards at the beginning of each 'hand', as to determine the dice outcome.
They had 6 cards (A-6) at the top of the table (directly in front of the boxman) and each card represented a die facing. They placed these cards at the beginning of each 'hand', as to determine the dice outcome.
Just one set of six cards? How did they 'place' these cards. Can you describe the method in more detail, please?Since this thread got bumped today and this old question was never answered, I will give the answer I think is correct. At least I saw it played this way at one California tribal casino.
There are six rectangles in front of the box man, sized for one card each, and marked 1 through 6. There is one 'deck' of six cards, Ace through 6 (or maybe two decks that get alternated, don't remember.) The box man shuffles the deck, deals the cards face down to the boxes, then turns them over. Each number on a card is thus matched to a number on its box.
The shooter uses a normal pair of dice. When he/she rolls, the box man reads the dice and slides forward the cards in the boxes with numbers that match the dice. The faces of the cards represent the 'result' of the roll. If the dice are rolled as a double, only one card is pushed forward, and it represents a double roll of its number.
In my opinion, this is the closest match of card craps to regular craps. It is equivalent to the dice having the numbers rearranged to different faces for each shooter. This would probably play havoc with dice setters' strategies, but otherwise, the game is very much like real craps. Apparently the deck of shuffled cards provides the additional layer of randomness that is required in California. If the deck happened to be dealt to the boxes as Ace through 6 in order, then for that shooter the game is actually standard craps!
ElectricDreams
I watched a friend play a card version of craps in an Oklahoma casino once; it was similar to as you described it, Doc, except the 'shooter' called out the box numbers, instead of throwing dice.
I actually like the California version better - throwing dice is a fun part of the game, I think, and the card craps my friend was playing kind of shorted us on that!
Of course, I can play normal craps in town, so I don't have to settle for any card version of the game ;-)
I actually like the California version better - throwing dice is a fun part of the game, I think, and the card craps my friend was playing kind of shorted us on that!
Of course, I can play normal craps in town, so I don't have to settle for any card version of the game ;-)
TIMSPEED
Since this thread got bumped today and this old question was never answered, I will give the answer I think is correct. At least I saw it played this way at one California tribal casino.
There are six rectangles in front of the box man, sized for one card each, and marked 1 through 6. There is one 'deck' of six cards, Ace through 6 (or maybe two decks that get alternated, don't remember.) The box man shuffles the deck, deals the cards face down to the boxes, then turns them over. Each number on a card is thus matched to a number on its box.
The shooter uses a normal pair of dice. When he/she rolls, the box man reads the dice and slides forward the cards in the boxes with numbers that match the dice. The faces of the cards represent the 'result' of the roll. If the dice are rolled as a double, only one card is pushed forward, and it represents a double roll of its number.
In my opinion, this is the closest match of card craps to regular craps. It is equivalent to the dice having the numbers rearranged to different faces for each shooter. This would probably play havoc with dice setters' strategies, but otherwise, the game is very much like real craps. Apparently the deck of shuffled cards provides the additional layer of randomness that is required in California. If the deck happened to be dealt to the boxes as Ace through 6 in order, then for that shooter the game is actually standard craps!
There are six rectangles in front of the box man, sized for one card each, and marked 1 through 6. There is one 'deck' of six cards, Ace through 6 (or maybe two decks that get alternated, don't remember.) The box man shuffles the deck, deals the cards face down to the boxes, then turns them over. Each number on a card is thus matched to a number on its box.
The shooter uses a normal pair of dice. When he/she rolls, the box man reads the dice and slides forward the cards in the boxes with numbers that match the dice. The faces of the cards represent the 'result' of the roll. If the dice are rolled as a double, only one card is pushed forward, and it represents a double roll of its number.
In my opinion, this is the closest match of card craps to regular craps. It is equivalent to the dice having the numbers rearranged to different faces for each shooter. This would probably play havoc with dice setters' strategies, but otherwise, the game is very much like real craps. Apparently the deck of shuffled cards provides the additional layer of randomness that is required in California. If the deck happened to be dealt to the boxes as Ace through 6 in order, then for that shooter the game is actually standard craps!
I agree with you 100%. THIS is the type of game they have at Barona in Lakeside (San Diego) and NOW at Jackson Rancheria in Jackson (30 minutes east of Stockton)
Funny though...because I have been playing it lately in Jackson, and it's 100% a DONT table..Literally, I can make $500 in an hour, just playing a $10 flat dont pass bet. It's just P-7-O over and over and over...I dunno why it's so cold (or hot if you're playing the dont like me) but it is.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
goatcabin
I agree with you 100%. THIS is the type of game they have at Barona in Lakeside (San Diego) and NOW at Jackson Rancheria in Jackson (30 minutes east of Stockton)
Funny though...because I have been playing it lately in Jackson, and it's 100% a DONT table..Literally, I can make $500 in an hour, just playing a $10 flat dont pass bet. It's just P-7-O over and over and over...I dunno why it's so cold (or hot if you're playing the dont like me) but it is.
Funny though...because I have been playing it lately in Jackson, and it's 100% a DONT table..Literally, I can make $500 in an hour, just playing a $10 flat dont pass bet. It's just P-7-O over and over and over...I dunno why it's so cold (or hot if you're playing the dont like me) but it is.
I went to the Jackson Rancheria Web site, but no mention of craps. They do indicate they now have roulette, but no description thereof. I e-mailed the Rancheria last February, and they said no craps, but check back in six months. I suppose they only recently added craps and haven't yet updated their Web site. Or, maybe they just don't want to advertise the fact that they have craps. I went to the Cache Creek Web site, and they do not mention craps, either, unless you download the 'Gaming Guide'. So, it's there, but it's not out front.
I sent an e-mail to Jackson again, asking about hours for their craps game. It's about an hour and a half from my house, over six times as long a drive as Cache Creek, so I would not go there regularly, but I would like to check it out. It sounds like it works out exactly the same as the no-longer-existing Colusa method, but more efficient, needing just one set of cards. The probabilities should be exactly the same as regular craps, so I wouldn't read anything into your experience with the table being 'cold'.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
Cheers, Alan Shank 'How's that for a squabble, Pugh?' Peter Boyle as Mister Moon in 'Yellowbeard'
TIMSPEED
I went to the Jackson Rancheria Web site, but no mention of craps. They do indicate they now have roulette, but no description thereof. I e-mailed the Rancheria last February, and they said no craps, but check back in six months. I suppose they only recently added craps and haven't yet updated their Web site. Or, maybe they just don't want to advertise the fact that they have craps. I went to the Cache Creek Web site, and they do not mention craps, either, unless you download the 'Gaming Guide'. So, it's there, but it's not out front.
I sent an e-mail to Jackson again, asking about hours for their craps game. It's about an hour and a half from my house, over six times as long a drive as Cache Creek, so I would not go there regularly, but I would like to check it out. It sounds like it works out exactly the same as the no-longer-existing Colusa method, but more efficient, needing just one set of cards. The probabilities should be exactly the same as regular craps, so I wouldn't read anything into your experience with the table being 'cold'.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
I sent an e-mail to Jackson again, asking about hours for their craps game. It's about an hour and a half from my house, over six times as long a drive as Cache Creek, so I would not go there regularly, but I would like to check it out. It sounds like it works out exactly the same as the no-longer-existing Colusa method, but more efficient, needing just one set of cards. The probabilities should be exactly the same as regular craps, so I wouldn't read anything into your experience with the table being 'cold'.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
I know huh?! You'd think they'd advertise the crap out of that!
The Roulette is like the one at Chukchansi Gold (It's got a big hopper similar to live Keno/Bingo)
An hour an a half? It's JUST shy of that from me, and I go there weekly...(they have some good promotions).
The crap table is pretty much open 24/7 as far as I can tell, and it's CROWDED as much.
The probabilities ARE just the same..that's why I can't understand the coldness...even the pit/dealers realize it and jokingly say 'Lay the 4/10 $400 a piece', and have a good time with it (of course at the same time, people betting the PASS line are getting their butt handed to them)
If Jackson had better comps/marketing offers, I'd definitely switch over from Reno to it...but they just DO NOT comp on their table games....however, come January I may play more their...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
October 2005
CALIFORNIA CRAPS WITH CARDS
The Bone Man recently visited the Cache Creek Casino, North of Oakland and North
West of Sacramento off of Highway 16 and provides this review of Craps as played
with playing cards.
West of Sacramento off of Highway 16 and provides this review of Craps as played
with playing cards.
CACHE CREEK
Two Tables
$5 to $500
Field Pays 2X on 2 and ONLY 2X on 12
Proposition Bets are DOWNTOWN ODDS (example… 2 and 12 pay 30 TO 1)
Table Odds (FREE ODDS) are 3, 4 and 5X Odds and are not posted.
Shuffle Machine located in rack next to STICKMAN.
Shuffle Machine releases TWO CARDS which are placed in RED and BLUE Rectangles,
Face down. Then, releases the REMAINDER OF THE DECK.
Face down. Then, releases the REMAINDER OF THE DECK.
Dice are thrown by SHOOTER. One BLUE die. and one RED die.
Cache Creek Craps
Result Card is turned on COLORED RECTANGLE from HIGHEST NUMBERED DIE.
Colored dice are special dice, one RED and one BLUE, with pips (dots) designed so
that there is NO HARDWAY (tie) possible… Always allowing one or the other to total
higher than the opposite one.
that there is NO HARDWAY (tie) possible… Always allowing one or the other to total
higher than the opposite one.
Cards are pictured to show the RESULT of TWO DICE. 36 card decks. One Blue deck,
One Red deck, with each card having two pictures (domino-like), representing the
possibility of 36 results of two dice combination.
One Red deck, with each card having two pictures (domino-like), representing the
possibility of 36 results of two dice combination.
Cards are shuffled after each roll (card result).
Cards are replaced with new cards every FOUR hours.
Cards are manufactured by GEMACO CARD COMPANY.
Dealer procedures are the same as on any standard craps table for the BASE DEALERS.
Only the STICKMAN procedure differs from a standard craps game as the stickperson
has to manage the rotation of the two decks and the placement and turn of the result
card. CONCLUDING OBSERVATIONS After a brief introduction to this game it seems as
though it moves very deliberately and very much like a standard craps game. The
only major difference is that the player(s) need to get accustomed to the turn of
the RESULT card as paying attention to the result of the DICE is somewhat academic
as it has NO effect on TAKE, PAY or PLACE on the table wagers. It is the TURNED
CARD that determines the RESULT. The speed and service factors of the game seem
only slightly slower than on a standard craps table. It was observed and concluded
that the tossing of the dice is as much a stalling factor to allow the stickperson
to manage the shuffling and rotation of the two card decks and the card turn as
it is certainly not the exciting prelude to a RESULT as it is in the standard game.
The Cache Creek Casino and Hotel is a first class facility and rivals many Vegas
properties in accommodations and number of table games. The gaming traffic of players
was very high and measurable as witnessed on a weekday in the early afternoon. California
Craps as played at Cache Creek is the same game played at the Pala Casino in Southern
California.
has to manage the rotation of the two decks and the placement and turn of the result
card. CONCLUDING OBSERVATIONS After a brief introduction to this game it seems as
though it moves very deliberately and very much like a standard craps game. The
only major difference is that the player(s) need to get accustomed to the turn of
the RESULT card as paying attention to the result of the DICE is somewhat academic
as it has NO effect on TAKE, PAY or PLACE on the table wagers. It is the TURNED
CARD that determines the RESULT. The speed and service factors of the game seem
only slightly slower than on a standard craps table. It was observed and concluded
that the tossing of the dice is as much a stalling factor to allow the stickperson
to manage the shuffling and rotation of the two card decks and the card turn as
it is certainly not the exciting prelude to a RESULT as it is in the standard game.
The Cache Creek Casino and Hotel is a first class facility and rivals many Vegas
properties in accommodations and number of table games. The gaming traffic of players
was very high and measurable as witnessed on a weekday in the early afternoon. California
Craps as played at Cache Creek is the same game played at the Pala Casino in Southern
California.
CRAPS QUIZ
Cache Creek Casino Craps
Here is the answer to the September 2005 quiz: A “CALL BET” can be made on
most tables when: 1. Anytime a player calls the wager before the dice land. 2. Only
if the dealer calls “BET” after seeing the cheques (chips) or cash). 3. Only if
the dealer calls “BET” after seeing that the cheques (chips) or cash HIT THE TABLE
before the dice land. ANSWER: Number 1 is INCORRECT. Dealers must see the cheques
or cash and call “BET” OR the cheques and cash must hit the table for the dealer(s)
to call “BET”. If a dealer or the boxman do not book the bet by calling “BET”…
it is NO BET. — October 2005 Quiz: Which is Better? Betting the Hard 4 and/or
10 Betting the Hard 6 and/or 8 —————————— THE BONE MAN, Site
Author, is a Craps Dealer on the World Famous Las Vegas Strip. The NextShooter.com
newsletter is a monthly mailer sent to subscribers and members of NextShooter.com.
At NextShooter.com, over 100 man years of dealer experience tells you all the secrets
of the game of craps. NextShooter.com was created to provide a unique view of the
game of Craps as seen from “The House” and “Dealer” side of the table and to present
this view without the distractions of pop-up windows, gimmicky or flashing Internet
most tables when: 1. Anytime a player calls the wager before the dice land. 2. Only
if the dealer calls “BET” after seeing the cheques (chips) or cash). 3. Only if
the dealer calls “BET” after seeing that the cheques (chips) or cash HIT THE TABLE
before the dice land. ANSWER: Number 1 is INCORRECT. Dealers must see the cheques
or cash and call “BET” OR the cheques and cash must hit the table for the dealer(s)
to call “BET”. If a dealer or the boxman do not book the bet by calling “BET”…
it is NO BET. — October 2005 Quiz: Which is Better? Betting the Hard 4 and/or
10 Betting the Hard 6 and/or 8 —————————— THE BONE MAN, Site
Author, is a Craps Dealer on the World Famous Las Vegas Strip. The NextShooter.com
newsletter is a monthly mailer sent to subscribers and members of NextShooter.com.
At NextShooter.com, over 100 man years of dealer experience tells you all the secrets
of the game of craps. NextShooter.com was created to provide a unique view of the
game of Craps as seen from “The House” and “Dealer” side of the table and to present
this view without the distractions of pop-up windows, gimmicky or flashing Internet